From Aspen to Karrigell and web.py

Been struggling to get Aspen working with Django. My app works fine, still having issues with "static" apps, which are necessary for the media directory and I ran across two framworks I hadn't seen before.

The first was Karrigell

Karrigell is a flexible Python web framework, with a clear and intuitive syntax. It is independant from any database, ORM or templating engine, and lets the programmer choose between a variety of coding styles

The package includes a powerful built-in web server, so there's no need to download, install and configure a separate one, and a pure-Python database engine, PyDbLite, which is used for the demos

and another was web.py which is so barebones it is not worth quoting the website.

I doubt I'll use either of these, in particular I'm not sure the point of using a web framework unless there is an ORM?